“Reform UK government will deliver in 100 days - or I will blame everyone else but myself”

They are a green party, funnily enough. They don’t “need” to become a socialist party.

A heat pump still costs a hell of a lot more than a high gas bill or a new boiler.

New boiler: £3000
New heat pump: £12000 (without subsidy)

You’d have to increase a new boiler by a lot to make a heat pump worthwhile currently, and then you’ll find most people would be able to afford neither.

I have my own reservations about the motion, but it isn’t really antisemitic. I think calling something “antisemitic” is simply used as a shortcut to discredit anything they don’t like related to Israel and Judaism. There’s never any reason given for something like this being antisemitic, it “just is”.

A frothing Tory’s “political activism” is often just common sense. e.g. it’s OK to be gay, trans people exist and that’s OK…

While of course I teach these values in basic fucking human decency to my child, I have no problem in it coming up in the classroom, especially if there’s a marginalised child in the class.

Just because some adults like to bully marginalised people, it doesn’t mean their kids should be able to get away with bullying in school too.

And that’s not even mentioning that teachers also shouldn’t be “impartial” around basic scientific concepts like climate change and vaccines…

He never had confidence in the UK. He’s lived in Monaco to avoid tax for years. Real patriotic guy, this one.

Surely this group has no basis to sue under the Equality Act. They’re not being discriminated against based on their protected characteristics - i.e. because they’re women. They were denied because their views are counter to the party’s manifesto. Just the same as if Esso tried to rock up to the Green Conference.

Absolutely not; clearly I am not suggesting anyone supports genocide.

Good ways a UK political party should stand against a genocide by a foreign government:

• pressure our government to pause intelligence and trade with israel

Useless ways a UK political party should stand against a genocide by a foreign government:

• Label all their citizens racists

I’m not purity testing but I’m soap boxing a bit here, for sure.

I’m just frustrated. I feel like political parties should exist to get as many votes as possible whilst furthering the aims and policies of the party. I really want the Greens to do well at this crucial moment for the planet.

It just seems that this motion is an unnecessary sideshow which divides people and invites scorn from the press, rather than brings them together behind an important message and important policies.

Of course I consider Palestinians people. I also consider Israelis people.

When I said “people”, I meant “the UK voting population”. This is a motion for a UK political party which is for UK citizens, not Palestinian citizens. It will have zero effect in actual Palestinians.

I wouldn’t want anyone thrown under the bus for the actions of someone else.

The Israeli government threw the Gazan population under the bus for the actions of the terrorists.

This motion is throwing “Zionists” (i.e. the Israeli population and the very existence of their country) under the bus for the actions of their government.

I agree, the government has done such a disgracefully poor job on Palestine. They’ve literally thrown people in prison for daring to hold up a sign in support of Palestine. So I’m fully aware they’re willing to throw anyone under the bus.

Lol I’m a Tory? Pfft. I’m sorry I don’t pass your purity test.

Principles are fine, but when you get blinded by principles and purity, you miss what actually matters to people.

This policy achieves absolutely zero practical effects besides alienating people and splitting the party. It does not do anything. It’s pure posturing, and utterly pointless, and it makes the greens look out of touch with people’s lives.

I’d bet most people agree that the Israeli government have committed absolute atrocities and should be penalised just as much as Russia are. But you’d be hard pressed to find people who’d think for a moment that everyone involved with Israel is racist, or that Israel should be effectively wiped off the map.

I am somewhat on the left but I also think that to get policies in action that will actually make a difference to people’s lives, you need to be relatable, you need to connect to people’s lives, and you need to have an logical thread that runs through it.

Otherwise the left will keep shouting into the void forever.

You may say I’m not a Real Lefty if I’m not anti Zionist, or some bullshit. Maybe that’s true. I just want unfettered capitalism to stop destroying the planet.

Stopping genocides would be utterly fantastic too of course, but this will not stop genocides. It’s just ranting.

Certain people on the left are obsessed about pushing policies which alienate them from the mainstream. Right at the moment where we really need the Greens to stand up for environmental and economic justice, if this passes, it will solidify the Greens as a fringe party again.

Why Amber Rudd? Such a random person to give this task to. Why not someone who knows something about prisons? Didn’t they make the Timpsons guy the prisons minister for this reason?

Rudd said she was not an expert on prisons and was surprised to be offered the job.

At least she acknowledges the insane nature of this.

Mockery, for sure. Horror has no impact on them - IMO right wingers often do not have empathy for people they do not know, such as asylum seekers. They’ll be quite happy to see the killing of those they see as wrong-doers.

It’s the classic far-right tactic of going around saying the most insane and impractical plan they can think of, so anything slightly less bad is viewed as reasonable by comparison.