• Sunshine@piefed.caM
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    Remigration - A term white nationalist organizations use for mass deportations, usually of non-white immigrants.

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      It is really just an euphemism for ethnic cleansing, something that will require a modern equivalent of an Arier-Nachweis.

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      Forced mass deportations. Of non-white and/or non-Christian populations whether immigrant or not, though immigration is almost always the scapegoat.

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    Goddamnit. Here I was, my nordVPN cancelled and planning to go mullvad, but now I’ll have to find a not-certfied-shit-person-in-charge to support instead. Is it Proton then?

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        This always bugged me. Like, how can you code, develop and / or lead an open-source and “privacy-friendly” project and support far right politics. That’s just a form of self-sabotage.

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          It depends on what slice of far-right we’re talking about. There are many of them who are actually of the opinion that the government should stay out of their business. They’re just also bigoted shitheads.

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    Allard also had a show on the Sweden Democrats youtube channel. That channel also talks about replacement theory, deportation of climate activits to china (for some reason…), and had a figure head who almost made a hitler salute after the last election and posted her opinions on Anne Frank while listening to Kanye. Just to give you a sense of what that circle of friends is like.

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      almost made a hitler salute

      I’m imagining any number of normal hand gestures

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        She pulls her arm to her chest, starts saying “hel…” and thinks for a split second and goes “helg seger”, and opens up her arm instead. But also, “helg” = weekend, “hell seger” ~ swedish version of “heil hitler”, and “helg seger” is not proper swedish. Every single neonazi recognized it as a veiled nazi salute and adopted the saying.

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    Always wait and see their reasons first. Sure a lot of the time it’s for bad reasons but occasionally it’s not so clear.

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      Remigration is the type of hate politics most on the right would not even speak of 10 years ago. Now it is being normalised. This shows how far the right has been manipulated away from what it used to be.

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      No, no, i live in sweden, there is no saving this and even if you dont know swedish you should see “remigration”(i.e. mass deportation) as a huuuge red flag. Like one you could see from the moon.

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        There are plenty of reasons, whether or not any are good is opinion. Daniel Berntsson is known to be against authoritarianism, censorship and mass surveillance, three things which are growing rapidly globally and in Europe (specifically the EU) people are noticing it now for the first time. Many believe (I have no idea if he is one of them) that it is easier to do when society and cultures are mixed. But they may not be against integration, immigration itself for example, but just the scale and speed.

        It is surely no coincidence (without having to don too much of a tinfoil hat) that these ‘summit’ meetings and other similar ones started happening, and are all in private (allegedly for security - but in fact the only people not made privy to them are the voters/plebs), for a reason, along with what has been happening in the world since they really started about 50 years ago.

        You are right (as is everyone) to question peoples motivations, but that should go both ways. The poster below in the all capitals just sounds petulant and doesn’t really seem to get that they are making the same point back. The people to be angry at, on every single occasion, are the government. Look at why x, y or z is happening. Disruption is as good a tool as many.

        Only in the past couple of weeks alone we have seen SKG be pretty much pushed aside by the EU with over 1.5m signatures, a petition for questioning Israeli lobbying in the UK with almost 120,000 signatures forced debate and ignored, and Chat Control (which has failed twice) attempts to be reignited which is unprecented and goes against what the whole ‘poltical system’ is supposed to stand for. I am sure that there are many more.

        A sure fire way to make things even easier for them to control us all, is to bring in higher numbers and faster and confuse many of the people. While we are all looking there, they are locking down other areas at an alarming rate.

        If it is so easy for the EU commission which is showing signs of corruption more and more (it’s as if they can’t wait long enough) to ignore or brush aside those millions today, imagine how easy it will be in a few years with higher numbers.

        Question everything on all sides. Why is something happening and why are so many pushing against it?

        Unfortunately, yes, it does often just come down to petty racism and ignorance. But I have little doubt that much of that is orchestrated too, especially when you see who is behind much of it.

        The only thing capitals boy got right, is that there are bad people everywhere.

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        I can. You have people of a world view that women are objects that are created soley to serve men, in any way they see fit. Those people migrate in societies where women are treated equal. The same migrants have in their world view that such women should be killed because of doing things they consider illegal in their world view, ignoring the fact that killing in the local society is unacceptable.

        And now, think as a father of a daughter who sees more and more men migrating into your society who think your daughter should be killed for the way she dressed, and will not restrain from killing her if they decide to do so in their own world view.

        Find a way to tell me we should accept those immigrants, with directly opposing world views to ours, which think what we consider a crime is moral and necessary, into our society and accomodate for their needs. Accept them. Knowing very well we would probably be killed for being us in their own country.

        You may be referring to the immigrations in the US, but having a problem with a Latino and having a problem with a jihadi man is not the same.

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          This sounds like an integration and assimilation problem. People have capacity for change, but if you stick all these refugees in one place without encouraging and requiring them to integrate into the new culture, you’re going to have a bad time. It doesn’t even have to be as extreme as your example to cause issues. But simply deporting isn’t the answer. If they’re refugees then they could be fleeing the exact type of beliefs and behaviours you’ve mentioned, sending them back to their country could be a death sentence.

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            I agree. And I think the push for remigration is not because people inherently want them out, as much as we simply can’t handle that influx of people properly, and we risk creating ghettos and parallel societies that can’t live with the domestic society. Also, a lot of those people simply refuse to integrate and some said in interviews that they head we will just give them everything and they can live in our countries same as they did at their home, in terms of culture. This is a false narrative that was fed to people.

            We need to set boundaries and enforce them, and the entire topic is created because we didn’t have boundaries upfront and we are still not enforcing them as we should. We can set up strict integration requirements, and send back everyone who refuses or is unable to meet them. This is fair and would quickly filter out the bad apples as they would be first to refuse.

            In the end, people want to know they are safe if they walk outside at night, and this was not the case in many places since 2015.

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          As that is a textbook strawman argument I will give you the standard answer to such strawman fuckery, in all caps for style:

          THERE ARE NATIVE, WHITE, CHURCH-GOING MEN THAT DO EXACTLY THE SAME SHIT. YOU ARE BRING IMMIGRATION IN AS THE CAUSE WHEN IT IS OBVIOUS TO ANY ORGANISM WITH 4 BRAIN CELLS THAT BAD MEN ARE EVERYWHERE REGARDLESS. MURDER AND RAPE HAPPENED BEFORE IMMIGRATION YOU DICKHEAD.

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            Don’t be an uncivilized native, white, church going man, and learn to properly communicate online. You sound like an angry kid. I stated my reasons and am open to discussions and you barge here like a wild Tarzan banging your chest and throwing big words thinking it makes you smart and right.

            And the reasoning “there is bad men everywhere” doesn’t change the fact that on one side you have the majority who is fine and a few bad apples, and on the other side you have the bad apples as the default. Ask in Afganistan should women have rights and you will quickly find it’s not a few bad apples, its their way of life. And no, we do not want that way of life in our, different society.

            This doesn’t mean they all need to go, but there should be very firm integration requirements, and if you don’t want to assimilate and live by our common standards, you should leave. You can’t come into someone elses home and expect the owner to live by the guests rules. It’s common sense and our hospitality that we did show - is being abused.

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              Do you have data to prove that asylum seekers and immigrants from these countries commit violent crimes more frequently per capita than white men? I would love to see it but I doubt it’s existence. I believe it only exists in conspiracy theories.

              Also it puts doubt on your argument when you assume someone’s gender and religion when debating them online, even sarcastically.

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                I assume then you must be from the USA, because your gender and religion argument is not really an issue in the rest of the world. People don’t really mind and don’t get triggered by this, since nobody is doing this with the intent to hurt anyone.

                I speak from a local perspective from what I see and what I hear. I was waiting on a station for a tram, and a couple of shady dudes, clearly not locals, were constantly going up and down the station, looking at me, going around me and often behind me although there was more place in front of me where I can see them. I DO NOT WANT TO FEAR if they will attack me!

                I was walking with a few friends throughout the center, when we noticed a group of them following us. We turn into a street, they turn into a street. We move faster, they move faster. We slow down, they slow down. When we finally stopped, turned around and looked at them, then they went on somewhere else.

                I do feel fear with them around me. You can’t deny that. You can’t understand that unless you are in the same situation. It’s easy for you to be “righteous” when you don’t need to live in that way. Fear for yourself, for your friends, for your family.

                And there is no fucking reason why I or anyone else should fear walking around at any time of day or night. How much crime was avoided, but the intent to do it was there? I can say I never fealt so in danger around locals. NEVER. And here we are, with people justifying why I should apparently live in fear because that’s the right thing to do.

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                  jfc you have an anecdote where nothing happened but you felt scurred? Your poor feelings! Grow the fuck up you idiot.

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              Just say you’re a racist, it lets everyone who wants to talk to racists know what they are in for and saves the time of everyone with more than single digit IQ.

              I cannot vehemently state this clear enough: Fuck off nazi scum.

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                Dude, you are racist. Learn to accept people of different opinion. Don’t fuckin call me nazi when you would love to put people like me in a concentration camp and let the gas flow. Don’t act you are better than me in any way. Fuck off nazi scum right back.

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      Like helping refugees return home could be a decent reason that gets twisted to sound bad.

      Probably isn’t, but it’s possible.

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        He is working together with the Sweden Democrats. You don’t need to second guess the motivations there. The Sweden Democrats don’t care one bit about the well being of migrants. The whole idea is absurd.

        The term “Remigration” does not mean “helping” anyone with anything. It’s exclusively used by people demanding ethnic cleansing, or at the very least systematic deportations of all refugees (rather also other immigrants, choice of groups may vary and in it may also include 2nd, 3rd or even 4th generations depending on their background and/or religion)

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          Oh lovely… Sounds like Reform here in the UK then.

          It also seems to be part of escalation from the far right. Before it was no more immigrants, now that immigration in the UK is coming down its turning into get rid of the immigrants already here.

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            That’s correct. And this is coming from the “I’m not racist” crowd. It’s never been about simply reducing net migration, it’s always been about ethnic cleansing and making sure there’s no more brown people in the country. While they’re at it, they’ll go after queer people and political opponents too.

            Almost starts to sound like something we’ve seen before in history.